Overthinking Inner Work and Creating More Stress? (A Balancing Act for Highly Sensitive People)

Client: [00:00:00] So the dog’s getting older. Um, my son took the dog to the vet and the dog needs some dental work and it’s like, oh my God, this is so expensive. What dog dental work is so. I am having this feeling that I should contribute or I should pay for it, but I don’t want to

Todd: Welcome to Wiggle Room Podcast where we start with stress and look for ways to turn it around.

And we use the work of Byron Katie, a very simple way of questioning the stressful thoughts that may be running in your mind. Start with a stressful situation, and then we go through a certain number of questions that start to make you look at that same situation from a slightly different point of view, which can often make a big difference.[00:01:00]

I’m Todd Smith and on the program today. Uh, we have first of all a question about how to find specifics when stressful thoughts are general. This is an interesting topic because the mind loves to hide in generalities, and if we can get into the specifics, it can often, uh, lead to some interesting changes of perspective.

And then we go ahead and do the work. Another participant does the work on the thought. I should pay for it, but I don’t want to. And if you can relate to this kind of stressful thought, you’ll see her work through, uh, both parts of this thought I should pay for it and I don’t want to. And we’ll see where that leads.

At the end of this podcast, I’m going to read my newsletter article called A Little Golden Shadow Work, which is an interesting way of looking at the work and doing the work on positive statements. If you’ve never [00:02:00] done that before, uh, you’ll be interested to see where this goes. So the first two parts of the, of the podcast, the question and the work session are coming as a part of the recording of my weekly open session, and you can always join in those and ask your questions or do the work with me.

So let’s dive into the work of Byron Katie together, A simple, powerful way to question what you think. And here’s our latest weekly open session, and as always, I share the unedited recording so that you can experience the work as I like to experience it, which is simply as a process of exploration.

Client 2: What do you do? Like, how do you land on on that specific? Thought in the situation. ’cause I’ve noticed, like when I’m trying to find around what the, the stressful [00:03:00] thought, I’m always, I’m always landing on a place where it’s like very general. Like it’s something that I relate to like many different situations.

So it’s kind of hard to land on the specific spot. On a, like a very like situation with most charge, if you can say it that way, to be able to work on and get the most out of it. Like how do you deal with that and like in, go back to like specifics instead of like bringing everything to the general part of it.

Todd: Yeah, I find there’s kind of two approaches to finding a situation. Um, one is the kind of approach where you’re just going along in life and then suddenly you get stressed, and then you have a live situation right there and you can just jump in and find out what the stressful thought is in the situation.

So in that case, you found the situation first. And, uh, and then finding the stressful thought is usually not too [00:04:00] hard. Once you’ve found the, uh, well, finding the, yeah, finding the stressful thought is not too hard once you’ve found the situation, but you’re talking about. The other way, which is I have this thought or belief.

It’s kind of a big general, uh, story that I have. How do I go back and find a, a specific situation to work, um, because I. The value is when I have something specific to work. I know what I mean when I’m talking about this particular thought. Um, when I’m talking in general, it’s very global and kind of hard to even know what I actually mean.

So it’s harder to work, it’s harder to find examples. It’s, it’s harder to be experienced who you would be without the thought. Yes. So, you know, I don’t have an easy answer for this, but basically it’s about. Slowing down and noticing what are the images that come up [00:05:00] when you, you’re thinking this global belief, right?

You know, like she doesn’t care about me and it’s just this big global belief. And if you, if you sit with it for a minute, you’ll start seeing images and they might be blurry or they might be. Um, some might be specific, you might see a lot of them, but any of those images, you can just trust that image. It, it’s somehow connected to this story.

And so just go into that image a little closer and see, uh, if it’s a real situation. And most often it is something that happened. Like, oh, there was that time when I said this and she said this, and, and then I. It really felt like she didn’t care about me. Now that isn’t the only data point ’cause I have other, other situations, other images there that also confirm that story.

She doesn’t care about me and I may have a big [00:06:00] story that she doesn’t care about me, but just following the thread into one of those, um, will give me a landing place for doing the work. It’s not necessarily going to. Address the whole story. Um, we’re just dealing with one situation now, so we’ve kind of collapsed this big piece of work down to something small.

And when I finish this work, I may still want to go back and do the work on another situation or another situation. I may want to do the work on three or four or five or 10 of those different situations, um, that, that are all supporting that story. And after a while, the mind may start to get. That, oh, it’s, it’s not actually true.

All my data points are kind of not so solid, so I may start to loosen the grip, but even just identifying one particular situation I. Can, can also change the, [00:07:00] the story, uh, on the general level quite a bit. So that’s my only suggestion is just to, to, you know, close your eyes if you need to give yourself some time and just think about the general story that you have, and then just wait as, as you, you know, as you’re waiting, wait and see if some.

Images start to come up and then just trust them and then use that as the landing point for, um, for going in and writing a more specific worksheet. Now, worst case scenario, you could do the work in a very general form, just like she doesn’t care about me in general. Another way to approach that is just.

In general, it’s a lot harder in a lot of sense, but you could touch on these various images and various situations, um, as you’re answering the questions in a more general way. But my favorite way is to, to land on one and go in a little deeper on just that one. [00:08:00] So does that help?

Client 2: Yeah, that’s really helpful because like I’m having that issue like of not.

Landing on that specific situation right away. So I’m like going so general, but I always have the fear that I can’t, like you mentioned, it’s really hard to like see the images ’cause you start seeing a lot of different things and I noticed before, like when you’re very specific and it’s happening, it’s very recent for me, it helps a lot ’cause like it’s, it’s right there fresh for me to work on.

So yeah, that really helps that if I, if I need to work on it in a general way. I think that’s great that I have free, I’ll have the freedom to do it instead of being like kind of like, like feared about, you know?

Todd: Yeah. And don’t worry if that specific situation that you land on, say an image comes up of a particular time and place I.

Don’t worry if that situation doesn’t hold the whole story, it’s okay. [00:09:00] It might have a slightly different meaning. She doesn’t care about me in that situation. Might have a slightly different meaning than it has. I. On this global level. Um, but you don’t have to try to fit the whole global story into that.

Just trust that that image holds some part of it. Go in there and do the work on whatever’s showing up there. So in a way, you kind of forget about the global story from for the time being and just go in on that particular. Uh, moment and then treat it like you would at any particular moment when you’re doing the work.

Just really focus listening to that, the particulars of that situation and the feelings that you’re having and the thoughts that you’re believing. Um, and then when you’re finished that work, then you can check back and see, okay, is there anything else on the global story that needs attention? And are there any other images?

And you can just keep repeating that process.

Client 2: Oh cool. Thank you. That’s really helpful. ’cause like what I’m doing is like pushing away from that general part, [00:10:00] so I’m not giving it the freedom, just like you mentioned, to land on a specific, even if it’s a different topic or whatever. From that general thought that I think it is.

I can use it with the freedom to land on that one and then work on it. So yes. That’s great. Thank you. Yes, that’s really helpful.

Todd: Like leave the general alone for a while that was the starting point and now you found a specific, now just leave that, go into the specific and deal with the specific, then you can come back out and see what else, uh, that general thought is leading you to, and you can go in there just one by one.

And those are the. The pieces, the pillars that hold up the general, and as you knock down the pillars, then the general starts to fall down as well.

Client 2: That’s great. Thank you.

Todd: You’re welcome. All right. Any other questions or anyone wanna do the work?

Client: I could do the work on something maybe. Um,

Todd: sure.

Client: So my, [00:11:00] I used, so we had a family dog and.

Of course when the kids left home, they left the dog for me to take care of. And now I’ve left home and I’ve given the dog back to one of them to take care of. Okay,

Todd: so

Client: the dog’s getting older. Um, my son took the dog to the vet and the dog needs some dental work and it’s like, oh my God, this is so expensive.

What dog dental work is, so I’m having this. Feeling that I should contribute or I should pay for it, but I don’t want to like, mm-hmm. So there’s this like messiness around that. So maybe something in there.

Todd: You actually have identified two conflicting beliefs. One is I should pay for it, and the other is I don’t want to.

So, uh, when that happens, I like to [00:12:00] question both of those. Um, I don’t know if we’ll have time, but we can try. Okay. Yeah. So I should pay for it. Is it true?

Client: Yes.

Todd: And can you absolutely know it’s true. You should pay for it.

Client: Yes.

Todd: So how do you react? What happens when you think that you should pay for it and you see how expensive it’s,

Client: I don’t wanna do it. I get really like, no, don’t hit the dog’s fine. He doesn’t need that. Don’t do that. Um, and I. Uh, I feel so guilty. Mainly it’s that I feel guilty that I’m not willing to pay for this for the dog.

Um, yeah, so I, how do I feel when I feel [00:13:00] guilty? I, um, yeah, I feel kind of sick in my stomach and it’s kind of like this. Pulling sensation like one way and the other way. It’s like, ah, like the angels on the shoulder, you should do it. No you shouldn’t. You should like that. So it’s this kind of uncomfortableness through my shoulders and my neck.

Todd: And what are the images you see when you think you should pay for it?

Client: I see that I’d have to take money out of my mortgage to pay for it. And that interest rates are going up. So I’m seeing like, ah, this is, yeah, this is not good. Oh, so what are the images with that? It’s me. Yeah. Just noticing that that.

That’s where it would, I assume that’s where it’d have to come from. That means that I’d have to pay more to the bank. It means I’d [00:14:00] have less to pay for myself to live as I’m living, so then I can’t keep going how I’m going and I’ll have to do something. Yeah. It’s kind of spiraling into, I. That kind of a future fear image.

Todd: Yeah. Like your whole life is gonna have to change as a result of this. ’cause it’s gonna scramble your own plans. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Client: Exactly.

Todd: And what are the images from the past related to your children and the family dog and all of that when you think you should pay for it?

Client: Wow. I think that the reason he needs it is they haven’t been giving him bones.

And I said, get bones from the butcher. And I know they haven’t done it, so I’m seeing that I suggested it and when I had ’em, I got him bones really regularly and they haven’t done it. So, yeah. So that,

Todd: yeah. And how do you treat your kids when you think. [00:15:00] You should pay for it. How are you treating them when you think that you should

Client: pay?

When? When? Yeah, like, like they’re not grown up adults. Like I have to worry about their finances, that it’s actually up to me to make sure they can pay their own rents, et cetera. I’m like super in their business. Yeah. Yeah. That’s interesting. That is very interesting to notice.

Todd: So who would you be without the thought that you should pay for it?

Client: Some messaging with my son and he says I can cover it and then most of it, and then everyone else can contribute as they wish. I could actually see that he’s saying he could cover it and it’s only me going, no, that’s too much. You can’t cover that. Um.

That’s so interesting. Yeah. Yeah. [00:16:00] Wow. That’s so interesting. I am so in his business about his budgeting. I don’t even know how much money he makes. I don’t know what he spends his money on. It’s like that’s, yeah, I do know he has a job. Like it’s not like he has no income source, so yeah. Wow. That’s interesting.

That’s interesting to see.

And I’ll note, I notice too, he’s not even saying, he’s saying everyone else can contribute as, as they wish. He’s not saying to me, I wish he’d put in half or all or a hundred bucks, or like, there’s just nothing there specifically to me about what he might expect or not expect. Hmm.

Hmm.

Todd: So how would you turn this thought around? I should pay for it. [00:17:00]

Client: I shouldn’t pay for it. Ooh, ooh. That feels like, so let go. Like, wow. I could really, if I shouldn’t pay for it, then it’s really the passing of this dog back to them as responsible, like for everything. Um. Yeah. Um, and, and that, that brings up a bit of a scary rush of, of letting the parenting thing go.

So that’s interesting. Interesting. That’s interesting how much that thing would set up. Yeah. Yeah. I shouldn’t, I shouldn’t pay for it. I, I have paid for many things. I don’t have, I’m the one without. Major finances to do this thing at the moment. Like, I, I shouldn’t pay for it. Um, I should just support everyone else to put the money in and [00:18:00] yeah, I could just do that and just, just go with that.

Todd: Wow. Wow.

Client: And part of my head’s already going, but you could take this much out of the mortgage and it would be okay. And

Todd: like

Client: very hard to stay in the freedom.

Todd: Yeah. It’s almost like this situation is more about that letting them be adults than about, uh, anything else. Like it’s, uh.

Client: Yeah, it, it, I think it’s like there’s something that’s like, no, I have to do this ’cause I have to stay as the most important.

I don’t know, something in, it’s like, oh, oh, wow. Yeah, that’s, that’s, and that’s maybe some big underlying beliefs for me to go for in another, yeah. In some more work. I like it.

Todd: So [00:19:00] any other turnaround, I should pay for it.

Client: I should pay for myself. Yeah. Yes. I need to pay for myself. I am not asking them to give me money to do what I’m doing.

I, I am financing it by the way. I am financing it. So, yeah. I need, I need to really have that front of mind that if I wanna keep going, like I’m going. I, I need to pay for myself. That’s gotta be, um, yeah. Gotta be something that I continue to come back with and go, that’s okay. It’s okay to just pay for yourself.

Todd: Mm. Yeah. Yeah.

Client: That’s also,

Todd: that’s so interesting. That’s

Client: kind of something, put yourself first, right. Well, for some

Todd: of us, putting ourselves first is a turnaround. It’s a, it actually is a, is a bringing us back towards balance. Whereas [00:20:00] for other people, putting others first is a turnaround and in different situations it’s different, but, but maybe, um, this is as important to look at that I should pay for myself as I should pay for the dog.

Client: That’s really good. That’s good. Good to see that. Um,

and I do, I can ha I can experience a moment of like, ah, before the doubts kind of start to creep back in again. It’s nice to have just a moment of that. It’s like, yeah, maybe, maybe that is true.

Todd: Right? It’s like I, I count too, like the dog counts. Kids count, but I also count and the dog has needs and they take, it takes money.

But I also have needs, and that takes money. The dog has a caregiver, [00:21:00] which is my kids. I have a caregiver, which is me. And so if I don’t, if I give up all my caregiving to the dog, then who is left to take care of me? Yeah.

Client: Oh, that’s really beautiful to put it that way, Todd. Thank you. I feel that that’s easier for me to see.

It’s like, yeah, the, the dog’s already got them. Yeah. But if I let go of me, then what am I gonna do? Try and drag them into caregiving me. Like I don’t want that either. So,

Todd: so better instead of like. Giving a whole lot to them. And then later because of that, having got into financial difficulties, now I have to ask them for money.

So it’s like I have to ask for it back.

Client: Remember that money I gave you for the dog, I [00:22:00] need it. And that never goes over. That’s, that’s terrible. Yeah. Right. So it’s like,

Todd: lemme just see if I really have it to give and where’s the, what are all the needs, like the big picture of needs, not just the need of the dog, but like all the needs and balance it look in a balanced way.

Client: Yeah.

Thank you. That, that feels a lot. I feel way more back in my own business. Like, it’s like, yeah. What? Who’s here for me? What do I need? Rather than jumping out so quickly into everyone else’s business? And it’s actually a little bit uncomfortable, I must say, being in my own business here. ’cause it’s like, Ooh, I actually have to decide if I want to give money for this.

And in some ways, maybe I’m trying [00:23:00] to avoid actually owning that as a. Yeah. It feels kind of like, wow, that’s implied that speech. Yeah.

Todd: Yeah. It’s like you want your kids to grow up. This is you growing up like,

Client: well, good, good. I’m so glad I’m doing it.

Todd: Yeah. Relate than never, like, oh wow, okay. I’m gonna actually take responsibility for.

Decisions decision that I make. Um, yeah, yeah,

Client: yeah. Because it’s, it’s so easy to push it into will they need it. So then I have to, and, and it’s like really,

Todd: because then you don’t have to make any decision. You don’t have to, you don’t have to say, oh, uh, yeah, you don’t have to actually decide, do I give money or not?

It’s like, no, they have, they have to. I have to. They need it. So I have to.

Client: Yeah. God, it’s such a different feel to it,

Todd: right?

Client: Hmm.

Todd: So this turnaround balances things like both of these [00:24:00] turnarounds. I shouldn’t pay for it, I should pay for myself. That’s a balance to, I should pay for it. And there’s just a little more space there, uh, in that, in looking at it in that way.

So,

Client: and what was the one that I missed out on talking about? Because I feel like that actually completed things really well.

Todd: Uhhuh, you did? Yeah. The other one was, I don’t want to Right that, remember we said there were two different ones I should have, I should pay for it and I don’t want to pay for it.

So let’s look at that other one briefly and see what we find.

Client: Okay, so you don’t wanna

Todd: pay.

Client: Yes.

Todd: And can you absolutely know it’s true. You don’t want to pay for it?

Client: No. No.

Todd: So how do you react? What happens when you think you don’t want to?

Client: I’d judge [00:25:00] myself. I really come down judgy as to you should want to, you should want to. How, how could you not want to this wrong, not to want to? So there’s a lot of, lot of that, um, kind of talk in my head.

Todd: Yeah. Yeah.

Client: Hmm.

Todd: So.

Client: And kind of at the same time, the talk is what I just found in the other one, which is, you shouldn’t want to. So like, so there’s like these two things going.

Todd: Yeah.

Client: And I don’t even know if I wanna or not. It’s like, shut up.

Todd: Yeah, exactly. So who would you be without the thought? I don’t want to pay for the dog.

Client: Yeah, without the thought. I, I don’t want to, um, oh, it just, it [00:26:00] just is so, so light. Like, I can actually look at my finances. I can look, I can imagine if I did contribute, like what would feel like a good amount to contribute? What, you know, like Yeah. It just, it feels. And if I decide that zero is what I wanna contribute in terms of dollars, I just wanna support them, then that feels like, like everything feels okay.

Um, rather than pressured. Like, Ugh, I’ve gotta get this. And I sort of lose my. I thought of, I have to get it right. ’cause there was kind of that going on. Well, well I have to get, what if it’s a hundred? That’s not right. What if it’s like, it needs to be half, it’s like, um, ah, stop it. So, so that, without that thought, I just, that that part drops away.

Quite relaxing.

Todd: Yeah. Hmm. [00:27:00] So turn the thought around. I don’t want to pay for the dog’s dental care.

Client: I do want to, um, do I,

well, I definitely want to consider, like I’m really wanting to consider it now. Um,

I’m not sure. I do want to actually give them money to pay so. But that it feels okay to say that it doesn’t feel like a stressful thing, which it did earlier. Mm-hmm. So that’s interesting. Yeah.

Todd: Yeah. It’s like, I, I want to, but the, but looking at my finances doesn’t look like that is gonna really work for me.

Client: What an interesting thought. Like, I [00:28:00] want to, but I might choose not to. Right.

Todd: Wow.

Client: It’s like, whoa. I don’t know if I’ve ever not had those two together. If I want to, I will choose to. Yeah. It’s

Todd: like, can you do that? Is that allowed? I can want to and not do

Client: it. I wanna like, honestly wanna and, and not do it like, yeah.

I That’s really feels mind blowing that. Yeah,

Todd: its mind blowing. It’s mind blowing. There’s a lot of freedom in that, right? I really do. I would love to and I’m not going to,

Client: oh my goodness. This like really feels big as a concept to me. It’s like, wow.

Todd: Yeah.

Client: I am so glad we did this one. Thank you for this. Who

Todd: knew it was sitting in here in a little, little worksheet on your dog? In,

Client: in plain sight? Yeah. Wow.

Todd: Yeah. [00:29:00]

Client: I wanna, we’re not gonna,

Todd: yeah, and I don’t have to because I, I think I shouldn’t, we already looked at that, so I don’t have to.

I want to, but I don’t have to. That’s kind of where we’re, we’re ending up here. Before it was, I have to, but I don’t want to, which is total stress. And this has turned around to Yeah, I’d love to. Um, but, but I don’t have to.

Client: Wow. Wow, wow. I’m so glad I got up early and came to this. This is, this is awesome.

Todd: I love it. I love it. Thank you for that work. Really, really relatable and really good stuff. You know, this is not small stuff. This is, this is really good stuff, so thank you.[00:30:00]

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Next, I’m going to read one of my newsletter articles called A Little Golden Shadow Work

Seeing Shapes. Some are Made of Shadow and some are made of light. A little golden shadow work. I. Last week in our Monday Zoom call for Inquiry Circle members, someone asked a question about golden shadow work. She first mentioned shadow [00:31:00] work and how the work of Byron Katie can be a way of doing this kind of work, seeing your own inner shadows that might go otherwise unseen.

This is also how I experienced the work of Byron Katie. I start out by identifying where I am judging the people and things around me. Then I look for ways that I do the same thing that I’m judging them as doing, or similar things as to what they do. And this often reveals surprises for me, and I get to see myself in ways that I would not normally see Mei.

I think of it as like holding a mirror up to myself and. When I look outward and notice my judgements about others in an outward direction, and then do the work of Byron Katie and turn those around and start looking at myself as well, I can often see things about myself that I wouldn’t see if I wasn’t using a mirror.

Golden shadow work. The person asking [00:32:00] the question took it further and mentioned this term, golden shadow work, and asked how the work of Byron Katie might relate to it. Now, first of all, I don’t know much about shadow work in general. I, I know that term, it comes up from time to time and, uh, it to me relates very clearly to what I, um, do when I do the work of Byron Katie.

But I really haven’t studied shadow work and so I may be grossly oversimplifying it here. And, um, please take what I say as with a grain of salt. And it’s from my point of view of doing the work of Byron Katie. So if I notice my judgments of others and turn them around, which is what I do when I do the work, I see my shadows, or you could call them hidden traits, things that I don’t normally see, uh, ’cause they’re kind of hidden, they’re too close to me really to be able to see.

It doesn’t really matter though if my [00:33:00] judgements are, are positive or negative. When I turn them around, I look for those same traits in myself. In the work of Byron Katie, most of the time I do the work on negative judgments. That’s the common way to do the work of Byron Katie. And these are the thoughts that are stressing me.

And so they’re the ones that are calling my attention and uh, they’re the ones that really need the work. So. I love to do the work on stressful thoughts in the work of Byron Katie, but um, doing the work on non-stressful thoughts can also be very interesting. So when I’m doing the work on negative thoughts, I see how I am just like the people I’m judging and seeing that is actually healing because I.

Kind of come down into a more humble position, and I start to see myself in them, and so I stop judging them as [00:34:00] much. But the same process of questioning judgments about people can be used to question positive thoughts about them as well. So again, this can be healing. Because it shows that I am just like the people I judge positively.

And that can also be, um, like something that is a balancing, has a balancing effect on me. Here’s an example. So find a specific situation to write a judge your neighbor worksheet. But instead of looking for a time when you felt a negative emotion, look for a time when you felt a positive emotion where you were triggered, right?

We usually think of the word triggered as a negative thing, but where you were triggered by someone or something else, but in a positive way. So as always, with the work, it has to be a real situation because you can’t do this work in the abstract. So, for example, someone recently donated [00:35:00] generously to our scholarship fund.

And so my judge, your neighbor worksheet in this situation would look like this. I am touched by him because he gave very generously see how positive this is. The emotion is positive, I’m touched. And then my reason for feeling touched is he gave very gen generously. Then if I fill in the rest of the worksheet, I want him to know how much I appreciate it.

I want him to continue donating in the future. He should be careful not to give too much. He should find the balance within himself. I need him to say it wasn’t personal. I need him to say I was just responding to a genuine need. And then number five, he is generous, kind, supportive, a good person. And number six, I always want him to continue being such a [00:36:00] generous person.

So notice how I changed the worksheet a little bit instead of, I don’t ever want for line six, I changed it to, I always want, and in line four. Normally we write in order for you to be happy, what you need them to think, say, feel, feel, or do. So I modified that to, in order for you to not be overly happy, what do you need him to think, say, feel, or do.

When I do the work on this positive judge your neighbor worksheet, I’m gonna find turnarounds like I gave generously. I should be careful not to give too much. I need me to say it wasn’t personal, and I look forward to him not continuing to be such a generous person. This is balance. This is what the work brings in my experience again and again and again.

It brings balance. So there’s a lot of potential freedom in these turnarounds [00:37:00] because they bring the balance emotion, whether negative or positive is a kind of imbalance. Which often stems from some kind of attachment. So either I didn’t get what I want, we call that negative, or I got what I want. We call that positive.

But in both cases, there’s attachment there and doing the work always softens my attachments. So try this yourself. It can be fun to do some quote unquote golden shadow work in the form of. Questioning positive judgements about somebody. I found that this work reveals attachments even when they are getting fulfilled at the moment.

And even when I’m feeling happy, the work provides balance and points me back to a more neutral place that is neither happy nor stressed. And I just love this option because I don’t have to wait until I’m stressed to find out what I’m attached to. I can [00:38:00] just notice what I’m. Judging in a positive way, and I may find that there is, uh, some attachment there that gets loosened when I start to do the work.

Okay, so I’ll end with a quote from Byron Katie, what we call good. And what we call bad, both come from the same place, and this is from her book, A thousand Names for Joy.