Why Inner Work Helps HSPs Face Overwhelm, Resistance, and Everyday Stress Triggers

Client: [00:00:00] I had a little dog for 15 years and he was run over by a car, um, last month and it was horrible. Uh, really tragic and at the same time breaking up, uh, with a long time, you know, like a lot, many years. Uh. A long time, a relationship of a long time, like, um, almost 20 years. 

Todd: Welcome to Wiggle Room, a podcast where we start with stress and try to turn things around.

This is a podcast about the work of Byron Katie. A very simple way of questioning thoughts that, uh, limit your awareness. So when you question things, awareness tends to expand. I’m Todd Smith and on the program today, a participant does the work on the [00:01:00] thought, I’m not safe. And someone questions. Uh, someone, uh, brings up a question about a client who was thinking that the work is just bs and I’ll also be exploring the idea of interruptions as little tests.

Let’s dive into the work of Byron Katie together. Simple, powerful way to question what you think. And we’ll start by sharing the recording from my weekly open sessions. Um, this week, uh, we have some. One person doing the work, another person asking a question, and I think you’ll enjoy it. As always, these recordings are unedited and they’re just, um, real people doing the work, and we kind of work together and see where we go.

So hope you enjoy the recording.

Client: I am dealing, I’m dealing with a lot right now. Um, my, I [00:02:00] have a little dog for 15. Um, last month and it was horrible. Uh, really tragic and at the same time breaking up, um, with a long time, like a many years, uh, a long time, a relationship of, a long time, like, um, almost 20 years. And, um, and moving out of my apartment.

So. I’m dealing with a lot and I, I just, um, I think that the thought that is stressing me out is that I don’t feel safe. Like I don’t, yeah. Like I don’t feel safe and, and I don’t, um, I don’t worksheets and, um,

on, on my partner and, and there’s this. Like Insidious [00:03:00] thought that, that, that I’m not safe. Like, and, and, um, it, it, it is just like in the background, you know, like Yeah. And it takes so much of my energy. Yeah. 

Todd: Okay, well let’s do the work. So. You’re not safe. Is that true? Um,

Client: yes. It, it is true.

Todd: And can you absolutely know it’s true. You’re not safe.

Client: No, not not. Absolutely.

Todd: So how do you react [00:04:00] when you see what has happened recently and you believe, uh, that you’re not safe? How do you react? What happens when you believe that thought? 

Client: Mm-hmm.

Uh, it, it takes so much energy from me and, um, I feel, uh, depressed and anxious and I, I feel needy. Like I need someone. I mean, this probably another thought that I need someone to save me. Like I need God to.

And, um, so I, I feel really like vulnerable and insecure and [00:05:00] like, I, I feel a lack of, uh, confidence and, and even Modi motivation to do, to do what I need to do. Like going to work is hard. Which is another belief. Um, and it, it just like everything seemed, seemed like a big task. You know, everything. Even going to the market, it’s like, uh,

uh, it’s like, um, so the, there is a lot of attention and, and heaviness, you know, I feel, feel the heaviness on my chest. And I just see,

uh, I see myself as very constricted. Like I feel myself constricted like tight and [00:06:00] um,

yeah, so there’s a lot of tension on, on my back and. The, uh, you know, when, when I believe that, when I feel, I literally feel that I’m not safe, like I’m you, like, it’s, I can feel it. And even though at in this moment I’m safe, you know, I’m, I’m pretty healthy as far as I know. Um, I have a job like, um.

Uh, I just, uh, so it, it is just when I believe that, that I, it just, I feel,

um, was, was the opposite of, uh, capable, incapable, I guess incapable. 

[00:07:00] Mm-hmm. 

Client: And, um, yeah. So.

Like, uh, it’s very limited. Like everything is limited. You know, like my sense of wellbeing is like shrunk. It’s not, it’s diminished because the sense of, uh, not, not feeling safe undermines my, my sense of wellbeing. And stability.

Todd: Yeah. That’s the power of, of believing a thought, of having a thought like this. I’m not safe. Undermines. 

Client: Mm-hmm. Yeah. And this thought is, is even more insidious than other thoughts I noticed. Like, um, [00:08:00] will, will you say that some thoughts can be more insidious than other or have more. Like more charged in a sense, like, 

Todd: um, sure.

Client: I mean, I’m not arguing for my, for my beliefs, you know, but it, it just seems like, it, it seems to permeate like my, my whole being like, it’s just seems so insidious. It feels you.

Todd: Yeah, exactly. You’re, you’re describing it, you’re describing it perfectly. That’s your experience. So let’s play with, um, who would you be if you weren’t believing this thought, if it wasn’t, if your, in your thoughts that you’re not safe, who would you be? Mm-hmm.[00:09:00] 

Client: I, um, I see myself as, um, having a, a clear, like a clear perspective, you know, a clear mind and just doing.

Doing, um, my daily tasks and just without the task, I will be, without the task, I will be lighter and more present and more involved in, in my, in my tasks. Um, I would. I would enjoy, enjoy what I’m doing, [00:10:00] and we welcoming and allowing what’s actually happening in reality instead of Yeah, I, I will be, yeah. So I will be capable of

like following, following my next step, you know, just, um.

Without the thought, I will just be, yeah, I will just be more, more present and, and less, yeah, less constricted. Definitely less.

Todd: And what do you see when you look at your partner leaving Without the thought. Mm-hmm. That you’re not safe. Mm-hmm.

Client: When I look at my partner living, um,[00:11:00] 

oh, without the thought? Yeah. 

Todd: Mm-hmm. Um, without the thought that you’re not seeing. 

Client: Yeah. Hmm.

Yeah. You know, without a ta, I’m, I’m, uh, I’m Act I feel, um, curious, like I have a sense of curiosity, like what’s gonna happen, but not in a, it is almost like, it’s like a mystery. You know, what, where will my life go now? You know? That, um,

that, um, I don’t have a, you know, a, a partner where, where would it evolve? But there is a sense of, uh,

um, [00:12:00] like openness and curiosity. 

Hmm. 

Client: Without the fear, you know, that there’s, I’m just curious what, what will happen. 

Yeah. 

Client: I mean, I’m just, uh, wondering what, what may happen, but not, not in a bad sense, in a way. Just like open, you know? Yeah. 

Todd: So you can see how this thought, I’m not safe colors your experience.

Right with the thought. It’s that that insidious feeling that you were describing, that that’s more stressed experience without the thought, the same situation is a little less stressful. So this is the effect of believing the thought. I’m not safe. So how would you turn? I feel lighter. Mm-hmm. Feel lighter.

Yeah. 

Client: So how you turn, turn around. Yeah. [00:13:00] Without that I feel lighter. Yeah. I, I am safe. Yeah. 

Todd: I am safe. So that’s a turnaround. Let’s see if there’s any truth to it. Could it be that you’re safer than you think? You are safe? 

Client: Yeah. Yeah. Definitely. I, I, I am safe. I have a, I have a place to live. I’m not, I have time to, to move out.

To my, you know, to new apartment. Um, I, I have a job. I have,

I have a, I have some, a few friends. Um,

but yeah, I am safe. I, I, you know, right now it’s like everything is fine. Like. And, and it’s, it’s been a [00:14:00] theme in my life that I’m not safe. Like, and for some reason when I’m faced with difficult situations, it just seems to exacerbate or life events, right? Like my dog dying and my partner living and 

Todd: Right.

Client: The feeling seems so I’m. 

Todd: That thought I’m not safe. Could itself be how you react when you believe other things. Like, you know, when, when things happen that you don’t, that stress you. Um, then the mind also comes up with, I’m not safe. And see What images do you see from the far past when you think you’re not safe When you were younger?

Client: Yeah. Uh, my father died when I was, uh, five and I. Slowly it was painfully. Um, and, [00:15:00] uh, I mean that seems, my mind seems to bother to, you know, when my father died and seeing that life, like, life is not safe, you know, like Exactly. Um, exactly. Or, or when I learned, learned that, uh. You know, death is a bad thing.

You know, that when someone dies, it’s, it’s horrible. And it’s, it’s tragic and it’s not safe. It’s not safe to die.

Todd: Right, right. So, how, how have you lived with the thought that it’s not safe? 

Client: Uh, very, very, uh. Yeah, very, uh, protected in a sense. Very, um,[00:16:00] 

avoiding avoiding risks even. Yeah, avoiding opportunities. Um.

Yeah, very, uh,

just not, not trusting that you know, that the universe is safe. 

Todd: Yeah. So what would it be like? Yeah. Who would you be without the thought? Living your whole life since your father died, who would you be without the thought that you’re not safe? 

Client: What, uh,

think thinking, thinking back or, 

Todd: yeah, thinking back. Like if you were, if you were [00:17:00] living your life again from that point forward. What would your life be like? Where would you be living that life without the story that you’re not safe, even though your father died? 

Client: Hmm.

Yeah. I would be living life, uh, more free, more I. Definitely more free to, to explore places, to meet people, to connect, to travel

to,

yeah. To, yeah. Definitely. More, more, [00:18:00] um. Capable of capable, um, confronting, you know, situations and taking risks. Um,

yeah. Um, more, more open, more allowing, you know, allowing Yeah. Instead of, uh, resisting. Has been a lot of resistance, you know? 

Yeah. 

Client: To relationships, to opportunities. Yes. Yeah. 

Todd: So that resisting is the effect of believing you’re not safe. And if that belief is not there, then the resisting wouldn’t be there.

It’s a cause and effect. Mm-hmm. So let’s try turning the thought around. Mm-hmm. I’m not safe. I’m not safe. I am safe. This is where we started a minute ago. So how is it that you are safe? [00:19:00] Even like put yourself back at age five watching your father die. Mm-hmm. Can you find where you are safe? Mm-hmm. Even in that situation.

Mm-hmm.

Client: I am safe. I unsafe. I, I have my mother still. Um, she’s still alive. Um. I have my siblings, all of them. Um,

I have, yeah, I,

I, I have loving, loving relatives, support supportive. Um, yeah, I feel connected. I feel connected to, to [00:20:00] life, to, to the people around me with other thought. Um, I’m, I’m connected to, I’m connected to, to right, to the love that I’m receiving. Safe. Uh, which was a lot. A lot. Yeah. 

Yeah. 

Todd: So it’s only the thinking that tells the story of I’m not safe, and then misses the reality of the safety that is actually there.

Yeah. Yeah. So what is the safety that is here now in your situation now with your partner leaving and your dog getting killed? How are, where’s the safety? How can you find it? Hmm. 

Client: Yeah, good question. Yeah.[00:21:00] 

Yeah. I am, as I said, um, I’m not being kicked out of my apartment, but I, I do have to move out in the next few months. Because they’re not renewing the lease. But, um, it’s not like I’m being kicked out. Um,

so I feel so, I mean, I have a place to live. I, um,

I mean, I’m even, it’s kind of fun looking for a place to live, you know, on my own. 

Todd: Right. Um, can I get to decide what, where will I live next? What will be, you know, you can choose right? 

Client: Right. Um, right, right. I’m open and allowing, you know, and that seems, that’s, that feels safe, you know, being open and allowing to, you know, where, where would I move next?

Um,[00:22:00] 

it seems that, uh.

Yeah, it’s almost, it seems to me like when you read a difficult book and you are about to finish that chapter, like, and you close that chapter, beginning the chapter. 

Todd: Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Not the end of the book, end of a chapter. Right. It’s not 

Client: the end of the book. It’s like a chapter. Right. Like be beginning a new chapter.

Exactly that. I can 

Todd: look at it, I can look at it as the end of what chapter or the beginning of a new chapter and it’s, it’s the same place, but it could actually be exciting. Yeah. 

Client: Yeah. But to be honest, it feels safe but scary at the same time. Sure. 

Todd: Okay. So how could it be scary and still safe? Mm-hmm. How could, is it possible those two can coexist [00:23:00] in the same moment?

Yeah. 

Client: Yeah, well, the, using the, the example of the, the chapter, um, you know, it, it’s, it’s another chapter that you open and you either enjoy or not, you know, uh, but it, it’s, it’s gonna be over like, um, and, and sometimes you, like, I’m thinking of a book that I’m reading. There are chapters I don’t enjoy and there are chapters I do enjoy.

And I, um, yeah, just being open, right? For being open to to, to life. And 

Todd: so even when chapters come along that, even when these chapters come along that you don’t enjoy, and I’m talking about in life here, but even in the book, you know? Yeah. Are you still safe? Even when. People leave you. [00:24:00] Dogs die. Fathers die.

Mm-hmm.

Client: Yeah.

Yeah, because it is a belief, right? That I’m not safe. It’s, it’s a belief. Yeah. There’s no actual threat or you know. 

Todd: That’s right. 

Client: Uh, yeah. 

Todd: That’s the reality. It’s not an actual threat. Yeah. The reality going on, but my mind exaggerates it into something that is really a big threat, and then I feel mm-hmm.

Not safe.

Yeah. Yeah.

Cool. Yeah. Thank you, Philipp. 

Client: No, thank you. Thank you, Todd. Thank you so [00:25:00] much. 

Todd: Yeah,

Client: happy New Year too. 

Todd: Yeah. Happy New Year. Exactly. So we just have a few minutes left, but does anyone have a question? Either something about what we just, um, we’re talking about or something completely new?

Client 2: I do have a question if we have a moment. Sure. Uh, I had made quite a few notes. I got a lot of takeaways out of, of where to go with, you know, what images and, um, you know, how our thinking is, is making the story. So I’m using a lot of the work in my coaching practice and a lot of times I, I do meet.

Resistance from the clients. Like I had one that said, oh, I just wanted to throw the phone. When we were talking about, we were working on a belief system. And a belief system is belief because people are certain about it. So people can become quite [00:26:00] attached to it. So we try and gently work through, I. The process of inquiry.

So my question to you, I had a client the other day that we were working on something that he was still quite angry about and he was able to see, without that thought, I would feel free and light and whatnot, but he was having a really hard time grasping the concept of bigger things happening. ’cause I mentioned, you know, in, uh, Byron Katie’s.

Um, book Loving. What is she’s talking about examples of war and sexual assault, big themes that people, how they’re working through thoughts that are at that level of, of impact, right? Which they all have the same level of impact, but those kind of bigger situations. And, uh, he, he actually became angry with me.

It seemed. He may have been just angry with the fact that I was challenging those thoughts or suggesting that there was another way to look at it. But he basically was angry and was saying, um, [00:27:00] that’s like, that’s BS type thing, right? Mm-hmm. Um, and I said, you know, um, the idea that if we think something shouldn’t happen, we suffer, does not mean that we’re saying things should happen.

And he said, so you think everything that happens, it should happen? And I said. When I believe it, shouldn’t I suffer. So what are your thoughts on that? 

Todd: Hmm. I think you, you said it really well. It’s, it’s, uh, when I believe my thoughts about it, uh, I suffer, you know, when I believe that it shouldn’t happen, I suffer.

It’s not that I’m thinking things should happen in the conventional sense of the word. Bad things should happen. It’s not like I’m wishing bad on people or the world, or I’m saying. It’s all right. Or I’m just gonna stand by and let bad things happen. No, that’s not what we’re saying at all. We’re just talking about the work.

Always. I have to [00:28:00] remember the work is about my internal experience. Mm-hmm. So how I experience a situation, that’s what we’re working on here. It’s not about what I do, my action, public policy. It’s nothing like that. It’s about how do I experience. A particular situation and what I notice again and again is that when I believe something shouldn’t be happening that is happening, um, then I suffer.

Or just the opposite. If I think something should be happening and it’s not happening, I suffer. So that’s what Byron Katie, I. Calls arguing with reality. And when I argue with reality, I always lose because reality is reality. I can’t, you know, I may be able to change it sometimes. Great. When I can let me change it by all means.

But if I can’t. Then I can always work with my thinking and find a way of looking at it that is [00:29:00] less stressful, less painful. So it’s a, it’s, I think the key for me is, is keeping in mind this, it’s, it’s my internal experience that we’re talking about here. That’s, that’s it. Because people get confused.

They’re thinking, oh, you mean. Everything’s okay now. You know, like I just become a doormat or I just allow, you know, crime or whatever like that is, that is not what we’re doing here. We’re doing a personal internal meditation, and this is for me personally, to free myself, um, and find a more peaceful way of being with a, with any situation.

So, yeah. And the beauty of it is that. The work can, depending on how I, how I sit with it, it can, it’s possible to find peace in any situation, any, so it could be huge, big. Things that are terrible. And, [00:30:00] but when I go inside and I do this work myself internally with an open mind, I may find ways that, that I come to accept it and, and appreciate it and even, um, you know, just basically stop resisting it, stop arguing with it.

That’s, that’s all it is. So anyway, for that, that’s my 2 cents. It’s beautiful. The other thing is, it’s. One has to do it oneself, right? It’s self-inquiry. So I can come to, uh, with, to a client and say, this is, here’s a great example of why that turnaround is true. And I can give, I can have all the, my own experience ready to give them, but.

If they’re not finding it, they may be resisting because they think I’m telling them to change their mind or something. So in the end, I end up being very, um, accepting even of. Anyone doing the work [00:31:00] because they may just start to dip into it, and that may be huge for them. So I just let them get as much as they can hold that space and love them as they are as well.

So, 

Client 2: absolutely, and I did say that this is just to introduce the possibility of other thoughts. Not that these need to become your belief systems, but the possibility that there’s. Another way that, as you mentioned, feels less stressful. Yeah. You know, so in one last piece on that, and I know we’re at our time here.

Um, so his question was, so in the moment of sexual assault or war, people are just supposed to be okay. And I said they may not. This is oftentimes done in reflection, but if you are consistently practicing the work and finding peace in most situations. Many things we find stressful probably wouldn’t trigger us as much as they would previously.

Todd: Yeah. [00:32:00] 

Client 2: Do you agree? Like, is that fair to say? 

Todd: Well, I can only speak from my own experience, but um, and from, from what I’ve heard from others as well, but my experience is that, um, less and less things, um, bother me and bigger things don’t bother me as much. And you know, like, uh, my mom died in a plane crash in 2010 and it was a shock for our family, but I was doing the work regularly and I.

I wasn’t over it in a day. I wasn’t just instantly over it, but in, in about two months that my grief was gone and had never come back. And it’s now just filled with love and appreciation and, and, and a sense of ease. Like, that was the way it was meant to be for, for her. So, yeah. Um, bad things can happen bad, you know, like things I don’t want.

And if my mind is open enough and. This gets cultured through this practice of doing the work. If my mind’s [00:33:00] open enough, I may be able to shift gears when reality shifts gears and I can keep shifting and keep shifting. And that’s a very dynamic, flexible, and strong way of living. You know, that’s, that’s what I’m doing.

Instead of being like, things have to be this way and only this way, and if anything breaks that I’m broken, there’s more room. There’s, you know, that’s why I call it wiggle room, right? There’s more room for me to maneuver and define my peace no matter what does happen. That’s the beauty of this practice 

Client 2: and for everyone struggling with the pandemic, if they are in, in whatever capacity they are.

I can speak to the fact that I found the work, uh, lockdown 2.0 I believe, and we’re in lockdown. 4.0 1.0 was horrific. 4.0 is a total celebration and I’m enjoying it. Isn’t that interesting? So that is due to the work. Same situation, same different situation. 

Todd: Yeah, that’s it. So [00:34:00] that’s the beauty of the work.

You don’t have to change the situation to come to an experience that it can be totally different. Totally peaceful, enjoyable. You know, if I can change the, here’s the point though. If I can change a situation, then by all means let me change the situation, right? So now I have two levers of control. One is action.

The way I’ve always done action in the world, something needs to be changed. Okay? What can I do to change it? Problem solving, you know, projects, whatever it is. But in case there’s some things I can’t control, I have to work, which can allow me to work with my thinking and come to a place of, of non argument with the reality that way.

So either way, there’s, there’s a possibility of more peace.

Client 2: Amazing. 

Todd: Yeah.

If you’d like to participate in open sessions, then you can [00:35:00] always go to the work as meditation.com and you’ll find open sessions listed there. This is a great way to ask your own questions or sit and do the work with me. This is something that I enjoy doing. We do it every week, it’s free. And um, it’s a service to other people who may have similar questions or may be dealing with similar issues.

So going over to the work as meditation.com and sign up for an open session. Next, I’m gonna read one of my newsletter articles, and this article is called Interruptions Are Tests,

interruptions are Tests. If you’re like me, interruptions are not something you relish. My idea of happiness is having uninterrupted time and space to go as deeply into something as I like. And when interruptions come, they often jar me and I react. This is one of my little stresses, [00:36:00] so whenever I react to something, basically what I know is going on is that I’m believing some kind of thought.

And all I have to do is find that thought and question what I’m believing there in that moment to open up a new experience for myself. Therefore, interruptions, test me to see what stressful thoughts, um, are in me still sitting left, uh, for me to question. I did some work on interruptions recently, and, uh, in case you’re not familiar, I use a simple approach called the work of Byron Katie.

In this case. I used the work, um, uh, and I found a situation where I was interrupted, in which I noticed a really clear reaction, like stress reaction. For me, that’s the smoking gun, uh, letting me know that somewhere inside I’m holding onto a belief that’s arguing with reality. [00:37:00] So I noticed the stress and then I didn’t have to look very far.

The thought that came up is he is interrupting me. That itself was the stressful thought. And so I tend to question these simple, obvious thoughts. You know, sometimes I can spend a lot of time trying to get really deep and find the perfect thought to question, but more often than not, I find that the, the first thought that comes into my mind when I say, what is it that’s, that’s bothering me?

What is the thought in this situation that thought? Simple as it may be is is a perfect one to question. So I went with this one. He is interrupting me. And when I questioned this thought, I saw how, basically, how stressful it was to hold that thought and how interesting it would be if I didn’t see it that way, even if the same events occurred.

I soon saw that that. Interruption. The idea of [00:38:00] interruption is really a concept. It’s a concept that I define, and it really means that anything other than what I’m doing, uh, is considered an an interruption or an obstacle or an imposition. And somehow when I believe this, I feel justified in being angry at the interruption.

I feel like I need to protect myself from interruptions, but what if I saw it differently? What I discovered in this process of self-inquiry is that I don’t have to define something as an interruption. That’s something I do. So I have a choice there. It’s like when I’m meditating, if I notice that my mind is thinking other thoughts in my meditation, then I just gently come back to the meditation.

It’s like I just notice it and then I come back. So the thoughts are not really an interruption to my meditation. They’re a part of the meditation. So what if I thought of any [00:39:00] interruption as a kind of integral part of the situation, as worthy of attention as my original task? When I think about all the pathways that my life has taken over the decades, uh, I see that everything I value today was at some point an interruption from what I was doing previously.

You know, I thought I would live a typical life when I was young. Uh, but that idea got interrupted by my interest in meditation, and I found myself living in an ashram for some years. And then when I thought I’d spend all my days in the ashram, uh, my grandmother’s needs interrupted me. And without those interruptions, I wouldn’t be where I am today.

So this happens on the micro level, and it also happens on the macro level. Small interruptions, big interruptions. What if I saw them all differently, not as interruptions, but as a part of the flow? [00:40:00] It all depends on how tightly I hold my focus. I tend to hold my focus quite tightly, and because of that interruptions jar me, I’m super focused and then something coming from outside tends to shake me because I’m so attached to what I’m focusing on.

But what if I held my fo that that same focus more loosely. If I did, I could move with the interruptions and feel less of a shock, just like a flexibility, um, and an ability to sway when something moves me from the side. So this doesn’t mean that I won’t continue to find quiet places when I want to focus, um, but it’s just something interesting to notice and it came out of my doing the work that, that it’s really up to me how I frame it.

I can dig deeper too, to find more stressful thoughts to question I can ask myself. Why am [00:41:00] I so attached to doing this without interruption? What am I needing? What am I wanting? Answering these questions in specific situations can help identify my attachments more clearly. Attachments are just thoughts, and these thoughts can be questioned.

There’s no stress without attachment. No stress without a want or a need. When I find what I am wanting, what I’m needing, what I’m attached to, and I question it, then my attachment often loosens, and that’s a setup for more flexibility with interruptions.

So I’ll end with a quote from Byron Katy. As you inquire into your thoughts, you discover how attachment to a belief or story causes suffering. The mind’s natural condition is peace. Then a thought enters you believe it, and the peace seems to disappear. You notice the [00:42:00] feeling of stress in the moment, and the feeling lets you know that you’re opposing what is by believing the thought.

It tells you that you’re at war with reality. When you question the thought behind the feeling and realize that it isn’t true, you become present outside your story. And that’s from A Thousand Names for Joy, one of Byron Katie’s books.

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